What if…

What if you bought a computer that you couldn’t install any of your own applications on? (Stupid, I know, but what if?)
What if that computer required you to sign up for two years Internet service with one particular company, and prohibited using any other ISP? (Not that the ISP subsidized the price or anything – the computer wasn’t cheap.)

What if some bright guys came along and figured out how to install your own applications on the computer? And then showed you how to choose your own ISP? You’d do it, right? I mean, why not, it’s your computer. But wait.

What if the company that made the computer sent down an update that checked to see if you had installed your own applications and deleted them if so?

What if that same update checked to see if you were using the required ISP, and if you weren’t turned the computer into a useless, unfixable, piece of glass and plastic?

Would you ever buy a computer from that company again?

Would you ever trust a company like that again?

Addendum: Some Apple and cell phone customers seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, so let me put it another way.

Let’s say you’re selling me a cow. You tell me that that cow is being sold for the express purpose of making milk. I agree, and buy the cow.

Later I decide that I’d prefer to make cheese. You say that’s a violation of our agreement and kill my cow.

When I paid for the cow it became my property, to do with as I please. If you don’t like how I’m using it you may choose not to do any further business with me but you don’t get to kill my cow.

And, by the way, warning me you’d kill my cow if I keep making cheese doesn’t make it all right.

The lawyers will point out that contractually I agreed to your terms. True. But I don’t think the contract said anything about killing the cow did it?

Apple’s sole redress is to halt all support of my phone. If we let Apple destroy our property for not following the rules we’re telling the music industry it’s ok to destroy a hard drive containing illegal songs, the cable company to fry our TVs for stealing cable. That is vigilante justice and a direct threat to the rule of law.

193 Replies to “What if…”

  1. This is a tug-o-war that goes on all the time with many other products. This is how products evolve and it’s no different with Apple. Everyone that hacked the iPhone knew what to expect from the start and that their actions would not be sanctioned by Apple. Any time you hack something to do something it wasn’t designed to do you take the chance of breaking it from the start. They knew there would be backlash and went ahead anyway. Now they want to blame Apple for protecting themselves from the companies they are contracted to. If you don’t like the consequences you shouldn’t take the risk. I know there are others that look at this as just another bump in the road and will find a new solution to do what they want requardless of the roadblocks. Inovation, Experimentation, Implementation,Evolution. It all leads to bigger and better things. So, don’t cry foul, something better is on the horizon.

  2. @JT
    #1 Um, no, that does constitute a “hack” by any reasonable person’s definition…
    #2 Obviously iPhone supports it as people who paid for iToner can attest, and was deliberately undone by Apple
    #3 I for the life of me, cannot fathom how anyone can defend such hostile customer treatment… …basically sanctioning a device manufacturer to say “screw you” to its paying customers… …it might be legal, but it’s going to leave a bad taste in the mouth of many, and may harken a swift return to Apple days of the mid 90’s, when only the hard core, love Apple no matter what, duped loyalists continue to buy Apple products…
    You may scoff at such a notion, but consider that a large portion of Apple resurgence in the 2000’s has been precisely because of “Unix on the desktop” and the open source roots of OS X. By moving focus to crippled devices (everyone wants to use their phone/PDA/music player the way they want to, see MS Zune for an example when customers arn’t provided such a “luxury”…), Apple is indeed ripe for the plucking by competitors and may find themselves treading dangerously… …not in 2007, mind you, but by 2010-2012, it’s certainly not inconceivable if current trends are indicative of their future direction…
    ::Even a simple hack with a nice GUI is still a hack.
    ::iTonr is inherently designed to do something with the iphone that the iphone does not support.

  3. “Apple’s sole redress is to halt all support of my phone. If we let Apple destroy our property for not following the rules we’re telling the music industry it’s ok to destroy a hard drive containing illegal songs, the cable company to fry our TVs for stealing cable. That is vigilante justice and a direct threat to the rule of law.”
    Never before has a more ignorant paragraph been written…I’m sorry your phone doesn’t work Leo, but come on let’s be reasonable.

  4. Okay, to say it was the most ignorant paragraph was a bit extreme. Okay…it was really extreme and I regret saying it. Still, I do not understand your reasoning because your comparisons are not applicable to this situation and the cow illustration is simply ridiculous. It’s not as though Apple destroyed your phone, or even killed it as you imply. You still own it and are free to do whatever you want with it. You simply are no longer allowed to use the software because you blatantly violated a contract that you agreed to abide by. If you don’t want to abide by contracts then don’t enter into them.
    That’s the reality of living in a capitalistic society. If you enter into a contract with someone and break your end of the contract, then the contract terminates and you suffer having to deal with the consequences. That’s just the way doing business works in capitalistic societies.
    And “vigilante” means that a group of individuals are taking the law into their own hands and enforcing it. That’s not what Apple is doing. They are ending your ability to use their software because you violated a contract. That’s not taking the law into their own hands…that’s simply terminating a contract that you entered into.

  5. @naum:
    iToner and AppTapp take advantage of software vulnerabilities on the iPhone in order to work. All Apptapp does is automate the jailbreak process so you don’t have to spend half an hour doing it your self. That is called a hack. If you do anything to modify something to make it do something it was not intended to do, you are hacking it, even if it does happen to be wrapped in a nice GUI. Also, you seem to be confusing “works on after a hack” with “supports.” I got Linux running on my Xbox, but somehow I don’t think that Microsoft will be supporting it anytime soon. It was easy to do and it works great, but its still hacked. I don’t recall and great backlash over the inability to run Linux on the 360. Leo doesn’t whine about it on every radio show and every podcast, but isn’t it just as bad?
    As for comparing Apple in the 90’s to now, you need to read your history. One thing’s for sure: Apple wasn’t in trouble because it produced many superior products at aggressive prices, but alienated a minority of users who can’t be bothered to read the warning dialogue that pops up telling you not to upgrade if you unlocked your phone.
    Except for nerds, no one cares about UNIX on the Mac. Most people don’t even know the name OS X. People buy Macs because they have a reputation for being solid and reliable machines. Leo recommends them to people every week on his show for that reason. People buy iPods because they’re reliable and easy to use. People are buying the iPhone for the same reason. Anyone who spends that kind of scratch to look or feel cool is an idiot in need of serious counseling. Apple knows that and is unwilling to sacrifice quality to protect people who are unwilling or unable to comprehend warnings that updating an unlocked phone will likely brick it.
    Again, running the update was 100% voluntary, so if you got burned, it was your fault. No one at Apple promised anyone that the iPhone would immediately be this great mecca for mobile developers, and they have always said that the way to develop for the phone is via the web. Apple has not misled anyone and is under no obligation to support hackers, which again is why the hackers told you not to update. While I have no doubt that there will be an iPhone SDK soon (just look at the HID guidlines that mention that the web is “currently” the only way to develop), but for now, that’s the way things are.
    The real issue about unlocking, at least here in California, is that carriers are required to provide unlock codes after 90 days, which doesn’t seem to be happening. That’s what everyone should be complaining about, but I guess people blaming others for their own bad choices is just easier.

  6. @PAUL
    “Anyone who spends that kind of scratch to look or feel cool is an idiot in need of serious counseling”
    Are you kidding? One of the MAIN reasons people buy Apple products is for the ‘looks’.
    This is the old ‘form vs function’ issue. And believe me, I know a LOT of people who are more than willing to put up with reduced, or even crippled functionality, for the sake of form.
    You may think they need counselling; they think you have no sense of style.

  7. Am I mistaken in thinking that Jobs offered that creating an app for the new phone was as easy as writing web code (I’m paraphrasing)? Seems to me that during the announcement speech he did say that third party apps would be writtrn that way, implying that they expected that.

  8. @paul
    Doubt it, “nerds” are the market that is buying up Macs right now. Go to any conference and see the laptops — at “geek” conferences (counting multimedia producers and designers) along with “web workers” have macs… …business users and most all home users are windows, and do not shell out extra money for a mac, instead opting for cheaper windows machines even if they desire a mac (and even if they do, their local “tech” authority, maybe a family member instructs them elsewhere… …Leo is an exception, any other MSM media tech disdains Apple except for iPods…)
    Yes, Mac is better in the home, but Apple desktop model hasn’t been updated in nearly 15 months… …the iMac just doesn’t suit those windows users either…
    ::Except for nerds, no one cares about UNIX on the Mac. Most people don’t even know the name OS X. People buy Macs because they have a reputation for being solid and reliable machines…

  9. Leo, although I find myself often agreeing with you and also find myself on the side of hackers and the open-source movement, I must respectfully disagree with your stance on this subject.
    I believe that Apple’s practices are quite common with product warranties, albeit not usually with software. Let’s take cars for example. If you roll your Lexus down to a performance-enhancement specialist, and they add a performance exhaust, a new chip for the engine-management computer (or flash the existing one) and new suspension springs, for instance. If your Lexus develops a problem with the catalytic, and the engine light comes on telling you to take it in, the dealer will immediately blame the after-market exhaust and will not warranty the item. If the wheel bearings start to make a noise, the dealer (and Lexus) will blame the suspension and charge you for it. Oh and if ANYTHING is wrong with the way the car runs, Lexus will most definitely blame the new, or re-flashed, chip and void your entire engine warranty–even if the problem is mechanical and has absolutely nothing to do with the engine management system.
    Apple has every right to void warranties if someone begins to mess around under the hood. They never promised hackers an open system that would not be affected by future services and updates. Maybe Apple targeted hackers, but I don’t think so–they have better things to do than worry about a small group of people unlocking their product. I believe there are technical reasons that these updates have affected the unlocked product. The company even warned that theses practices could damage the software in the phone.
    Just like over-clocking, you run the risk of frying your product if you mod it or mess with it. And, the manufacturer has every right to not cover the product under warranty.
    Conversely, Apple should offer some sort of “re-format” program for users of bricked phones. For $100 or something, you bring your iPhone in and they re-flash it or exchange it for a new one. A one-time courtesy, perhaps, but for a fee.
    Apple is trying to build a solid, reliable product for people that bought a phone…not a hackable computing platform. I believe any phone company would follow the same tact. What would BlackBerry do if you modded one of their phones and your phone bricked? Probably say, “too bad” and ask you to buy a new one.

  10. look, it’s a cellphone, it isn’t a computer, it’s a phone, it’s more of a smartphone i suppose, but with other smartphones, you have to use whatever ISP, and you sign a contract saying you will for the next 2 years, or you get charged some large cancellation fee, why is this any different with an iphone, it’s the same idea.
    (yeah, that was all one sentence i believe)

  11. I’ll start this by saying that I am not an Apple fanboy and the only Apple product I own is a 4th gen iPod. That being said, I have a different point of view.
    What if this whole notion of locking down the iPhone after its open is to challenge the whole idea of locked phones in the first place? I think this is Apple challenging that notion head on. This move causes people to think about the idea of their phones being locked to one network. Once people start thinking about it with the iPhone, you start thinking about your other phones. Should they be locked to one network? If you don’t think so, then where do people go? To the FCC, to question them on why phones are locked and, at total extreme, to push them to unlocking the whole market.
    Apple knows there is a huge barrier in garnering market share by being locked to AT&T. So how do you get out of the contract without expressly getting out of the contract? You push the idea of being locked into the one network, which is fragile to begin with, until it cracks and shatters on the whole. It’s been mentioned that Jobs is a master chess player when it comes to human emotion. So maybe this whole reaction is planned in his, and our, favor?

  12. Apple’s locking of the phone was dumb but understandable, from the start. People bought the locked up phone, which might not have been the smartest thing in the world, but that’s free will for you…
    The hacks, which people have every right to install, were unsupported, and unlike the apple tv, apple broke the hacks on an update, which I think all the hacks should have been vary clear was a distinct possibility. You, leo said these things a few weeks ago when the hacks came out.
    It’s happened. Which sucks royally, but that’s not the issue to complain about it.
    It’s the first point, that they made a crippled phone, not that they broke people’s hacks…

  13. Leo, it’s their hardware, it’s their software. They have goals with the device that we are not privy to yet. If they open the iphone up, then apple’s dreams and ideas are gone. Plus security is an issue too. There is a lot of personal information in an iphone. Look at it this way, one could think they are installing an application that does one thing, but it could also do something else “aka spyware, viruses”. It is what microsoft’s products are plagued with. I like the iphone for what it can do out of the box and what the future holds for it. I’m also interested to see how Apple handles the whole Meizu device when it hit’s the market next year. We’ll probably see more applications from apple to compete with what the Meizu can do out of the box. Intentionally Apple does not currently have any direct competition with the iPhone. Quicker they can sell a ton of 2 year at&t contracts, the more people will be “locked in” to using just apple’s device before any other similar form factor devices come out. All in all, it will be interesting to watch what happens. Going back to my anivirus statement, wouldn’t stink having to install a firewall and anti virus software on a 8gb iphone?

  14. I could not agree more. I love Apple, ever since the first Steve Jobs, but I think this marks a dark time in Apple. And will be viewed in the future as the beginning of when Apple lost it’s core user group and became just another company. I am reminded of a Steve quote and will reword it here..
    You think selling iPods to kids is success, and it going to change the world?
    Long live Apple Computer.

  15. Two points:
    1) Everyone seems to be assuming that apple intentionally bricked the phones. I dont know exactly how these unlocks work, but it seems like it they reach in pretty deep. Deeper than the iTunes restore functionality reaches. It seems reasonable to believe (especially since Apple said as much) that there could be a conflict between Apple’s firmware updates and the unlock code.
    2) Your analogies are overly contrived, I think. Instead of imaging a cow, or a computer.. why not just imagine a cell phone. Cell phone carrier exclusive lock-ins are not unusual. In fact– quite the opposite- non-locked-in phones are unusual. Fortunately for us all, we dont all have to buy an iPhone. If it doesn’t do what you want it to do, or if you dont like the restricitons, by all means.. buy a different phone.

  16. You wanna put diesel in your Mustang? Go ahead — just don’t expect Ford to honor the warranty.
    Hacking the iPhone adversely affects the potential market for ATT and Apple and is a violation of the user agreement — it’s illegal and fair use does not constitute a valid/legal argument to support the activity.
    The people who somehow justify it’s OK are the same ones whose PC’s are loaded with music from Napster and Limewire.
    This reminds me of cigarette smokers blaiming the cigarette companies. Aren’t people accountable for what they do?

  17. So about this whole iPhone fiasco. The reason Apple doesn’t support third party apps and such is because of support. The genius bar is already packed and the last thing that is needed is why isn’t my installer.app working and what is ssh and blah blah blah. As far as locking the sim back up…. it’s called contracts. there was fair warning so people should stop being cry babies. about locking up the third party apps…. different story. everyone loves the apps that have come out…. but there were new features that wanted to be rolled out and some of those required a lot of tinkering to the firmware. sorry they didn’t take the man hours to keep open third party apps i’m sure there will be a fix to installer.app in a couple weeks so no worries. You say what about the customer and how does this help the consumer. Well it frees up a spot at the genius bar. Instead of having to see some dummy who can’t get something working on their unlocked phone, they can help real problems like me who had directory damage a week before finals. I’ll sacrafice my iVibe app on my phone to have my computer fixed so I can graduate college.

  18. “You wanna put diesel in your Mustang? Go ahead — just don’t expect Ford to honor the warranty.”
    I love it! Couldn’t have said it better myself!

  19. The cow analogy doesn’t work. But anyway…
    Why should Apple conform to your or anyone else’s expectations? Could it be that your expectations of ‘choice’ have been shaped by a mobile phone industry that has made a lot of poor decisions resulting in crappy handsets and even crappier user experiences? Just because Apple isn’t fulfilling your nerdish wet dreams – which were clear from January, so you had plenty of time to condition yourself – about what you want in a phone doesn’t mean they’re not doing the right thing. Do you know what plans Steve Jobs/Apple has for the iPhone? Nope, didn’t think so. Neither do I.
    Get this into your head: the iPhone is just over 12 weeks old. It’s a brand new device category for Apple. It’s a brand new industry for Apple. It is and will be an increasingly important market for Apple so let them get on with *their* strategy for the iPhone. I’d rather they take baby steps at first to ensure the future integrity and stability of the platform and their business partnerships (unless you think Microsoft is the company to emulate) than give in to the likes of you – a vocal minority, as Bourne would say – who cannot see the wood from the trees, have their knickers in a knot, and who want everything yesterday. You can’t have it all; as Austin Powers said, “I want a toilet seat made out of gold but it’s just not going to happen.” If you don’t like what Apple is doing, as others have said, don’t buy their product. Go for a Nokia or a Blackberry or a Zune with a subscription service. Third party apps is something I’d love to see on the iPhone but I’d rather wait until Apple thinks it’s the correct time, for whatever reason; that is their prerogative.
    I have to say on a wider point that having listened to MacBreak Weekly and TWiT for a while it’s clear you’re a technology enthusiast, not a technology expert. What did you study at University? Oh yes, I thought so. Your strength is in presenting radio, not commentating on technology. In stark contrast, the views of Andy Ihnatko about technology matters are interesting and insightful. What did Andy study at University? Oh yes, I thought so. Do you see a correlation?

  20. If someone sold you a cow for half the cost of a real cow and said “Part of this sale is a binding contract that you will only make milk” would you blame the seller or would you accept that the price of the cow balances out the pain of the contract ?
    Apparently the subsidy on an iPhone is substantial enough that the contract with ATT causes Apple to do things they might not normally do. How many people would pay $999 for a fully unlocked and unrestricted iPhone? There’s just no market for it. Ivory tower ideology doesn’t sell products if they are too expensive.

  21. Okay here is a resounding vote for your point of view Leo. I’m very interested to see where the law suites go or if there might even be a congressional involvement. I’ve not seen the terms of service but I’m curious if they really did allow for a bricking and then refusal to fix it while still under warranty. And where is the original paper work that said people agreed to those terms of service.Hmm another though came to mind they did not only stop service they rendered the actual device unusable. The device which is owned by the customer. I would think that a violation of terms of service would only allow them to cancel service not the device. And if you never ran on AT&T’s network you never agreed to their terms of service.

  22. A general response to everyone saying that people should ‘shut up and stop whining’.
    Consumer backlash is free market forces at work. Apple needs to consider the tradeoff between increased revenue from a closed system and pissing off their loudest evangelists — the guys wearing ‘Think Different’ tshirts and writing Tap Tap Revolution because they love the device so much. Apple can tell them to shut up and stop whining, and they certainly have the legal right to do whatever they want, but they shouldn’t be surprised when lots of customers exercise their right to bitch about Apple publicly and convince others not to buy iPhones.

  23. Just curious, what if you paid your early termination fee? Then you would not have violated your att contract and would be well in your rights to bring the iPhone to tmobile. Isn’t that what the latest dmca wxention protected?

  24. Leo, you agreed to the terms and conditions of this phone when you bought it. If you don’t agree with them why on earth did you buy this phone in the first place? Maybe I’m in the minority here but I think you setting a poor example here. You Buy a product – fully aware of the limitations of that product, blatantly violate the terms and conditions of that product, and then cry foul when you experience the repercussions of your behavior.

  25. The cow analogy is a little broken. As far as Apple is concerned, their the farmer and we as consumers are the cow. The investors are the customers (not us) and Farmer Apple will milk us or slaughter us as he pleases to serve his customers. After all, the customer is always right!

  26. I should add that all of the artificial limitations Leo described are merely the fences that Farmer Apple uses to keep us eating out of his field so that he can continue to milk (exploit) us to his benefit and that of his customers (investors).

  27. The unlocking of iphones started roughly a month ago. I can’t imagine that update 1.1.1 wasn’t in full scale testing by that stage. I don’t think that apple wrote 1.1.1 in response to unlocking. But, maybe that should check the version of the firmware before they apply the update.

  28. Leo you knew the rules, you broke the rules, now you don’t like the rules? Come on Leo stop complaining. This cow analogy just doesn’t hold up except for the waste it creates. In an earlier podcast you were so leary of hacking the phone, now you have done it and bang you go off on a tirade.Question did you hack your other phones? did you complain when you couldn’t get the phone you really wanted on the carrier of your choice?Did you accept what software was available for the phone and the extent of its functionality. Come on Leo answer me these questions?
    Leo you blame apple as being so deliberate. Could it be that maybe just maybe your hacking caused enough changes to the firmware that their legitimate right to provide an update which fixes 10 other security flaws bricked your phone because you made changes to the firmware.
    Also you didn’t have to do the update you were told that it could brick the phone, and you did it anyways, hello earth to Leo it doesn’t take a person with a good sence of the use of apposable thumbs to figure out that maybe you should hold off. Yes Inow then you couldn’t load your itunes music on it and your videos. Oh thats right you made changes to it, thanks for playing.
    Or maybe this is your way of fueling the fire of those who are stuck like you are leo, you are trying to whip up people enough to support your opinion for something you did that went wrong. Also Leo as a very tech savy guy you know what can happen when you dwell in the art of hacking and modify something beyond manufacture specs. Sometime it goes horribly wrong down the road. How many over clocking failure did you have? You didn’t get all bent when you burned up a processsor and motherboard, you chalked it up as a loss. You have been down this road but this time you have decided to take it out on a company because you feel slighted because you pushed the envelope and this time the price was high.
    Leo you make way to much money to be acting like me joe user who just cost himself 500 dollars. Why not take the high road say I learned, this what will happen, and walk with me as I attempt to fix it.
    Now before you think I am sort of mac fundy in that I believe apple does no wrong, think again apple does, has done, and will again do wrong and thiss is not there most shining hour. The way this phone has been handled in many ways is a PR and marketing nightmare and should havebeen done differently. If, if Apple deliberatly put code in that bricked the phone, then I think they have some serious explaining to do. My thoughts Leo on something you will never read.

  29. “Unfortunately, we suspect the truth isn’t quite such a juicy story for those looking to lay blame. We’ve seen just as many reports of legitimate, “factory fresh” users getting bricked iPhones as those who’ve just added apps, SIM unlocked their devices, or done both. In fact, besides a lot of hearsay and anger from the tech community, we’ve seen absolutely nothing which indicates to us that Apple is targeting users who’ve hacked their phones and is bricking them on update. In an informal and totally unscientific poll here on Engadget, the number of iPhone users who had never hacked their device but wound up bricked was very similar to the number of users who did hack and brick their device — and that’s even with polls showing far more voting users hacked their phones than not.”
    This was posted on Engadget here: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/01/a-note-to-both-apple-and-iphone-customers-on-the-v1-1-1-update/

  30. Woah. Way over the top Leo.
    I agree that it’s annoying that Apple is doing this, but hey – your terms of service state that if you go and load non-approved Apple software on your phone, you forfeit support. You and anyone else affected didn’t have to click the “Update” link. Your phones would have continued to work just fine.
    But you violated the terms of service that you agreed to (by loading 3rd party software on), clicked the link, then were shocked to find that stuff no longer worked. What would the point of a service agreement be if you didn’t agree to it in the first place? You want the best of both worlds, and are conveniently ignoring the fact that you AGREED to this behavior.

  31. This was my response to the applephoneshow leo-cow…
    The more I think about this whole bricking thing this is my take. IT’S ONE BIG GAME. Ok, so you…
    First you Hacked the iphone knowing there was a chance to “brick” it (or whatever that means, never a true brick is it? really is it? unless you did a hardware hack and touched something you were not suppose to)
    Then You knowingly upgraded to 1.1.1 that “might” brick (na I don’t like the term brick here either) how about softbrick it.
    ok so here is the deal. now apple comes out with a upgrade that softbricks the iphone. then the hackers figure out how to un-softbrick the phone then they’ll find out how to un-lock the phone again. Yah 3rd party apps.
    How long did it take to jailbreak the phone to begin with? well thats your chance you’ll have to take for them to figure out how to un-softbrick these phones. The phone still works, just not yet. Then apple will come out with another update that will softbrick the phone again and again and again. Hackers will un-softbrick it again and again and again (nice circle we have here). Or hackers figure out how to implement x.x.x updates without updating thru itunes. Then someone else will come out with a open souce os for the iphone hardware…..etc etc etc.
    Definition of softbrick: Software based brick that renders a piece of hardware useless until it is fixed by software that restores the device to “normal” use

  32. interview with ambrosia software on itoner and 1.1.1 updatehttp://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/03/tuaw-interview-ambrosias-andrew-welch-on-the-iphone-update-and/
    We’re not putting anything but data on the iPhone, and we’re doing it in the right way, and we’re putting it in the user area of the iPhone. Apple is intentionally making sure that products like ours don’t work. That I think is a mistake – it’s as if in an iPhone OS update, Apple decided that MP3s you got from ripping a CD should no longer play on your iPhone, and you should instead buy them from their store.
    Way to go Apple in alienating developers…

  33. When I walked into the Apple store to purchase my iphone there was no one halding a gun to me making me spend $599 for the phone plus the $170 to cancel a verizon contract. I bought it for the applications it had on it plus the hope Apple would add to it with time. To think I or anyone else should do without upgrades so the few who chose to hack their phone could continue to have their changes is just wrong. Prior to the last update there was a clear warning that to update may damage a modified phone and you could choose to update or not to update. Those that chose to update after the warning did so for a reason. They wanted the update or wanted to see if it would really brick the phone so I say let Apple continue to make updates and if it bricks a hacked phone after you were warned of what could happen the so be it.I and the other owners that have chosen to use the phone as it was at purchase should never have to do without upgrades for those that have chosen to make the hack.

  34. Apple wisely decided to purge the party of unbelievers with their 1.1.1 update. Hopefully, Stalin…er, Steve will be able to keep it pure of any future dissidents./sarcasm
    I’m amazed that anyone would actually defend Apple’s actions.
    Jobs is Apple’s greatest asset as well as their greatest liability. They’re going to screw this up the way they did by not licensing Mac OS.

  35. Leoplease with cow.
    iPhone works.
    use as intended.
    Remember this is still V1.
    The first iMac & iPods were very poor when
    you look at the current ones .
    The 2nd & 3rd gens are gonna be the real wow!
    Love MBW aka rathole weekly

  36. To the people that hacked their iPhone: Apple didn’t put a gun to your head and force you to update. Apple warned you, but still you updated and now you’re surprised that your phone doesn’t work? How foolish of you. If you can’t take care of your toys and use them properly, then you aren’t mature enough to own them. So sorry for your loss.

  37. […] have as well. Well known tech journalist Leo Laporte has a well written and well read post on his blog entitled ‘What if…’ that argues his point. I intend to make a similar argument […]

  38. Still a good phone compared to others. Your whining on your show has become kind of boring. If you don’t like the phone buy a different one. Please change the subject on Macbreak or change the name to iphone-whine…

  39. Leo,
    You had me convinced on buying a MAC for my next computer. It was going to be a high end Mac Pro.
    Apple’s iphone firmware update fiasco convinced me otherwise.
    The best way to tell Apple you’re unhappy with their behavior is to not buy apple products between now and 1/1/08.
    It costs nothing and requires no effort.
    I enjoy all your netcasts.

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