What if…

What if you bought a computer that you couldn’t install any of your own applications on? (Stupid, I know, but what if?)
What if that computer required you to sign up for two years Internet service with one particular company, and prohibited using any other ISP? (Not that the ISP subsidized the price or anything – the computer wasn’t cheap.)

What if some bright guys came along and figured out how to install your own applications on the computer? And then showed you how to choose your own ISP? You’d do it, right? I mean, why not, it’s your computer. But wait.

What if the company that made the computer sent down an update that checked to see if you had installed your own applications and deleted them if so?

What if that same update checked to see if you were using the required ISP, and if you weren’t turned the computer into a useless, unfixable, piece of glass and plastic?

Would you ever buy a computer from that company again?

Would you ever trust a company like that again?

Addendum: Some Apple and cell phone customers seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, so let me put it another way.

Let’s say you’re selling me a cow. You tell me that that cow is being sold for the express purpose of making milk. I agree, and buy the cow.

Later I decide that I’d prefer to make cheese. You say that’s a violation of our agreement and kill my cow.

When I paid for the cow it became my property, to do with as I please. If you don’t like how I’m using it you may choose not to do any further business with me but you don’t get to kill my cow.

And, by the way, warning me you’d kill my cow if I keep making cheese doesn’t make it all right.

The lawyers will point out that contractually I agreed to your terms. True. But I don’t think the contract said anything about killing the cow did it?

Apple’s sole redress is to halt all support of my phone. If we let Apple destroy our property for not following the rules we’re telling the music industry it’s ok to destroy a hard drive containing illegal songs, the cable company to fry our TVs for stealing cable. That is vigilante justice and a direct threat to the rule of law.

193 Replies to “What if…”

  1. My TiVo is a Linux box. If I decided to hack it because it’s only a computer, after all, and then destroy the holy hell out of the thing, I’m not going to start badmouthing the TiVo people for locking the box down and explaining to them that the airwaves are owned by the public and why can’t I pause live TV anymore?
    The iPhone problem has a simpler solution — don’t update the software. You’ve made your deal with your own devil: you’ve hacked the phone you bought. Apple doesn’t have to accommodate what you’ve done to the phone, any more than the TiVo folks – to whom you have to pay an extraordinary monthly fee for the television listings — should never update their software for fear of breaking some third party application that they said from the start they wouldn’t be supporting.
    I would very much like to live in the perfect world Leo describes in which we can travel around with our phones anywhere we want with any carrier we want without any lock-in. But that’s not reality. That’s a world that so many iPhone hackers have decided that THEY live in and now want to smear Apple’s name because of their own stubbornness. I’ll live over here in the real world, where my locked in contract with Verizon makes this an easy decision — I can’t afford an iPhone, so I won’t be buying one. 😉
    Maybe someday we’ll get to that world, but expecting Apple to work a miracle like that overnight is too much. Just look at the grief they get from the music companies and TV companies.

  2. 9/27/07 A day which could signal the end of free and open technology.
    I think people are missing the point here. It’s not about Apple or AT&T.
    It’s about your right of freedom to access technology.
    I’m sure there are technology companies who are eagerly waiting in the wings at this point for the dust to settle on the iBrick. And if this move on Apple’s part stands, you will begin to see rampant “crippling” of other technologies. We know technology companies are itching to do this.
    Is this what you want? Are you willing to give up your freedom of access to technology because the creator of said technology said you weren’t operating it the way you were told to?
    Legalities aside, this is more importantly a matter of precedent which will have FAR more lingering effects.

  3. btw, what makes everyone so sure that this ‘damage’ is permanent? maybe you’re all (including leo) just playing into jobs’ bigger plan. he is a pretty smart businessman, for sure. maybe he can get a hundred bucks back on each phone he can ‘fix’? you know, kind of like a Reverse Rebate.
    😉

  4. db, nice take on the issues except I’m not sure if the judgements “it’s wrong that the latest update is bricking phones” and “it’s wrong that they won’t let you install 3rd party apps” really matter. Sure, if I were king of the world, they might. 🙂 But meanwhile…
    Your analogy wrt using a screwdriver like a hammer is good. Furthermore, when I’ve had to use a screwdriver like a hammer 1) I never expected it to work as well and 2) I sure wouldn’t have complained to the hammer maker about it.
    Actually, these analogies can get stranger and funnier, given too much spare time.

  5. I wish there was something in the iPhone EULA that forbade people from making overblown, torturous analogies. 🙂
    And “Stockholm Syndrome”? Give me a break!
    Between the feel-first, think-later excesses of Leo on the one side and Scott Bourne on the other, I’m seriously considering unsubscribing to MacBreak Weekly. I can get that on afternoon commute, small town, conservative call-in AM radio any day of the week.

  6. @AndyP
    Actually, I disagree with your extreme analogy here. This is more how I view it.
    What if, GM/Ford whatever came out with some new features. When they tried to install that feature they didn’t know how the modifications you personally installed on it acted and after their new (and free) modification that would make your car do something it didn’t do before made your car not work right anymore because the combination of what you did and what they did broke it.
    That’s the Apple iPhone vs. the iPhone Dev team part. That’s not the AT&T part mind you.
    Best thing I can think of is if Ford said that only your car would work with Texaco gas stations. While texaco is available just about everywhere in the US with a few exceptions, and the car isn’t sold in those locations (Thinking Vermont and AT&T here) or people that come from other countries don’t have Texacos where they come from.
    Texaco also pays this car company every time someone fills up their car, giving the car company a revenue source.
    It’s not that Texaco gas is inferior either. They work pretty well with a few exceptions here and there. But the other gas companies have the same problem. Sure there is one or two gas companies whose gas is completely different, but at the end the result is the same, the cars that work with that gas go just about the same places the other cars with Texaco gas do.
    Oh, and before GM/Ford whatever made their car there were tons of other companies who did the exact same thing. They made their car only work with one gas companies car. But for some reason, when GM did it, and people tried to stop it from working that way they screamed and wailed and said that people that thought the GM/Texaco thing was ok and not a big deal were idiots and likened them to kidnap victims and all sorts of bad things.
    Meanwhile, 95% of the world rotated on, and didn’t give a rats but that they had to stop at texacos to fill up. The other 5% stood there and screamed at them for what they were missing, and they didn’t care.

  7. What happens when you buy an Xbox and modify it’s hardware to pirate games? Sure it’s your property and you could do anything you want to it. That doesn’t mean Microsoft will keep allowing you to do that.
    The people who tried to update a 3rd party modified iPhone were warned twice. They knew they were skating on thin ice. To me, yea sure it’s a computer. So is an Xbox. Don’t expect to get support from a company who your trying to circumvent doing business with. In this case AT&T. Apple has an agreement they have to hold up to. It’s the same with other carriers around the world. The only thing Apple has against 3rd party apps is the possibility of a VOIP app. That’s the real reason for no SDK.
    Leo, this isn’t a desktop. The word computer is extremely broad to include basically anything with a micro chip….and these days toys come with microchips. So please quit with the bogus analogy. If you want to complain about being locked into a contract don’t blame Apple about it, blame the FCC. They are the ones who are protecting the carriers and allowing them to behave like this. Also, it’s unknown if there is any subsidization going on with iPhone, so the two year contract might serve a purpose.
    I’m tired of hearing about this crap….why don’t people complain to Motorola, Samsung, etc.?

  8. Just to add a small voice of support for Leo, I totally agree with his point of view. I think what Apple has done is stupid, and I really think they should know better. Incapacitating 3rd party applications and unlocked phones would have been expected and acceptable (although I think it would be smarter to let the 3rd party apps be). Having to restore the factory settings is fine. Breaking the phone is not. Legal or no (and I think a case could be made for illegal), it’s just not the way you should treat your customer. If Microsoft had done something like this, the company would have been (once again) branded the devil and people would be screaming foul. Contrary to what the Cult of Mac seems to think, Apple can do wrong and when they do they should be called on it. I sincerely hope that this is a battle that Apple doesn’t win, because I really don’t want this precedent set.

  9. We are not talking about hacking in order to allow the iPhone to do what it was not intended to do. The DMCA specifically provides an exemption to allow circumventing cell-phone lock down technology:Section 201.40: “(5) Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone
    handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully
    connecting to a wireless telephone communication network.”
    There has been no attempt to change the basic operation of the iPhone or to make it to anything other than perform its basic functions using other than AT&T service. This is specifically allowed by law, regardless of what Apple and AT&T want. By “bricking” the iPhone, Apple is violating this law. They are intentionally blocking the owner’s legal right to use this phone with other services. They should be sued via class action and also prosecuted in all 50 states. This is clearly a case of Apple violating the law. Stop all Apple purchases (including iTunes) until Apple decided to follow the law.

  10. I wish I had not updated to firmware 1.1.1 because now I can not have those great 3rd party apps. Does anyone know if they are working on getting on getting the apps to work on 1.1.1?

  11. If you are dumb enough to do business with Jobs you deserve what you get.
    Removing the roll back feature means he meant to brick the machines and teach people a lesson. Nasty dude.
    I just read the terms of service from AT&T they sent me. They remind me of the terms of service as written by Microsoft. None of them have any respect what so ever for their customers.

  12. OK Folks one more time with the car analogy:
    When you read the Apple iPhone agreement http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf it says right in the beginning:
    “1. General The software (including Boot ROM code and other embedded software), documentation and any fonts that came with your iPhone, whether in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the “iPhone Software”) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc.”
    So yes you may own the hardware (iPhone/car) but Apple is only granting you a license to use the software, you do not own the OS on your phone. So you own the car but you do not own your license to drive it. (like the real world)
    AT&T owns the roads (Edge network) and makes the rules to drive on their roads (that they built to make money). The drivers manual to AT&T’s roads is here: http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/articles-resources/iphone-terms.jsp
    Unlocking the iPhone and some (but not all) of the 3rd party apps (eg: VOIP) break the rules of the road as spelled out in the drivers manual.
    So basically some of you people lost your license to drive on AT&T’s roads in your hot rodded cars/iPhones. And like when you lose your license to drive in the real world you are stuck with a car you paid for but you can’t use in your garage. It’s not the car makers fault (Apple), it’s not the road builders fault (AT&T), it’s your fault for breaking the rules and getting caught.

  13. The thorn in your side is the ATT contract which is an ongoing contract for 2 years; if ATT has the perception that revenue is being lost because you’re use of T-Mobile on top of the contract with them is diverting revenue that could have been theirs, then you may be “stealing” from them. ATT could argue that the extra fees they count on from your being a customer (ringtones, you-name-it surcharges) are more likely to occur on your actively used (not dormant) T-Mobile account. I see this as ATT-driven.

  14. I think sometimes, Leo, you miss the point. The entire cell industry exists within legal and legislative paramaters. Is it wrong that you can’t let your phone do all the things that you’d like it to do? Sure. But it’s not really Apple that’s to blame. It’s a situation much like the iTunes store. You could, at the time of its inception, have complained that it had DRM. Yet what was the protection-free market? Ripping CDs and torrents. Without iTunes, it’s doubtful that online music would have gotten started. And now, Apple is finally getting some competition. The Amazon store is great — but you’ll notice, it is selling without DRM. Now it has a chance, and again, Apple got that started.
    So they entered the phone market with the Rokr. Ugh. The apple techs got to see how ugly the business was. They produced a wonderful phone. But it’s as dependent on the networks, which are not run to the consumer’s benefit. Would the iPhone sell on a truly open network? Sure. But there isn’t one.
    You mentioned, on the Tech Guy on the 29th, that Nokia sells smartphones unlocked. Well, most of their phones are fully subsidized, so they can afford to do it. My instinct tells me that Apple selling an unlocked phone would be shunned by the cell providers. It’s new on the market. Apple couldn’t have gotten data plans at such a reasonable price, could they?
    So I think we need a political understanding to pressure the companies to change. Apple started selling Blue Boxes, that hacked into AT&T long distance, and allowed Jobs to call the Pope long ago.
    It’s not all about Apple, plus or minus.

  15. “When I paid for the cow it became my property, to do with as I please. If you don’t like how I’m using it you may choose not to do any further business with me but you don’t get to kill my cow.”
    Fer cryin’ out loud, Leo, Apple didn’t kill your cow. They gave you a knife and told you that if you used it, it would add functionality to the cow, making it a steak (and maybe a nice pot roast), but as a side effect it would kill your cow. If you like your cow the way it is, don’t take their knife. If you like your iPhone the way it is, don’t take the upgrade. C’est simple, n’est-ce pas?

  16. What if I invited them in to kill my cow and then complained about it afterwards? ??
    Yes it sucks to have a dead cow. But you bought a milk cow. If you wanted a cheese cow, you should have bought one.

  17. I love and admire Apple in many ways. This time they went too far. Leo is right. This is America and private property is a staple of our society. We all have known for a long time that Apple can be arrogant but breaking people’s personal property is just wrong.

  18. Well, the bricking did not last too long, as they have successfully unbricked iPhones, and using the same technique, rolled-back and unlocked new 1.1.1 firmware phones.
    http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php/Downgrade_from_1.1.1_to_1.0.2
    The really funny aspect of this is that the iPod touch, which had resisted all attempts to crack it, was cracked using he same technique, allowing the 1.02 code from the iPhone to be uploaded. Now the iTouch is jailbroken and apps can be uploaded.
    So, in their effort to control, they managed to have folks discover a way to unlock the iTouch.
    Apple – 0 Dev Team – 2.
    I’m still happy with my iPhone, all crazyness aside.. and happy it is on T-Mobile.

  19. Leo
    I think you are overreacting here. Apple released a product and said that you were only allowed to use it on the AT&T network and that you weren’t allowed to install 3rd party applications on it.
    You bought it knowing, better than most, what those restrictions meant.
    You also knew that there was more than likely a contractual requirement that Apple had agreed to to ensure that the phones remained locked. There might even have been a clause that said that Apple aren’t allowed to let people load 3rd party apps on the phone.
    So when Apple warns you and then carries out it threats, acting like a two year old and throwing your toys out of the cot really makes you look bad.
    Apple are doing what it needs to do to protect its contract with AT&T and its business model in the cell industry.
    I don’t like the way they do business but if that is what they want to do then I can decide (when the iPhone is released here) not to buy one.

  20. Leo, its sounds like your starting to lose faith with Apple. I completely agree with your posting here, its my hardware and I can do what ever I want with it. I think Apple will make a lot of people mad if a update come out that bricks your phone if it has been unlocked.
    This whole iphone saga is a chink in the armor of Apple, suddenly it seems that Apple is no less greedy and manipulative than other massive corporations, and I think that has shocked a lot of fan boys out there.
    Everyone was all to happy to pay for the phone and go on a 2 year plan when they bought it, but now its not the newest thing out there, people are waking up from this honeymoon phase with their iphone and actually wanting more use and functionality from it, so the unlocking happens.
    But don’t forget that you did sign a contract with AT&T for 2 years of service, and I’m sure AT&T are very angry at all this loss of revenue from unlocked phones, and I think this will force Apple into implementing a update that will brick your phone or force you to reset the firmware to a factory state.
    But anyway I cant wait to get my hands on a iphone, but New Zealand will be one of the last western country’s to get it lol.
    keep up the good work Leo, your a God among men.

  21. I agree Larry. Although I am disappointed with Apple and the way they are doing business regarding this piece of hardware, they did say that they would feed your cow as long as you just made milk. If you still want free food then you agree to their terms. And if they catch you making cheese, then there food will kill the cow.

  22. I don’t think the question that you should raise in this post is “Is what Apple is doing to my cow legal?” I think the question in hand is “Do I still want this cow as badly as I wanted it 3 months ago, when I didn’t see the terms in action.

  23. Push aside the whole “unlocking” issue aside, but apple has broken the whole “third party” application for iPhone deal… …things like iToner which people ponied up money so they could make their iPhone more useable or enjoyable no longer work… …see Ambrosia statement…
    http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=115442
    The iPhone is wonderous but preventing customers to use it the way they want to use it is plain stupid, and I hope a competitor makes apple pay dearly for their terribly intransigent stance…
    I bought it so I could have PDA + phone… …but shoehorning me in to eliminate my own apps (like ebook reader, iToner, etc.…) has made me question my allegiance to Mac platform and I may switch back completely to Linux based solutions now…
    With Vista tanking as such, way to go, Apple, in alienating your customer base that plucks down big money for Apple product…

  24. All cell phone companies suck! You just have to pick the one that has the best plan and coverage for you.
    We all knew that the iPhone was going to be exclusive to AT&T/Cingular before we bought the phone. If you did not want to use AT&T, then you should have bought a different phone from a different provider. No one forced you to buy the phone.
    I bought an iPhone because I wanted the features that it provided (many devices rolled in to one). I was an AT&T customer and had been for several years. If the phone would have come out for use on Verzion, I would have passed on buying it.
    I did not hack my iPhone due to the warnings that Apple provided. It was your choice to hack your phone, not Apple’s.
    One of the biggest problems with living in this great country of ours is that people no longer take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else’s fault for their problems.
    “I can’t go to college because I can’t afford it!” – get a job and pay for it.
    “I murdered that person because of the voices in my head” – no you murdered them because you are a sick piece of poo.
    “My life sucks because I have 9 children, live on welfare, am addicted to drugs, have no education, and can’t get a job!” – pick yourself up, get a job, teach your children personal responsibility.
    “My iPhone doesn’t work because I hacked it, and then Apple broke it!” – no, you hacked the phone at your own risk, even though the company told you that updates may break the phone.
    Sorry for my rant.
    Higgins
    P.S. – Leo, I am a huge fan and have listened to many of your podcasts for years. I was also sickened with the way TechTV was destroyed. Thanks for putting out the educational entertainment and please don’t ever retire.

  25. would you like some cheese with your whine?
    i don’t remember apple claiming that their first phone was going to be open sourced so anyone can do anything they want with it. give me a break. if leo had his way we’d all have g5 macbook pros and linux iphones.

  26. Just want to make something clear — I DID NOT “HACK” MY iPHONE. I simply put some third party applications on to make the device more usable for me…

  27. @Mark,Not to split hairs, but actually the government owns the road and the FCC regulates it; AT&T just leases it. The FCC may tell AT&T they can make the rules they have made, but that’s just the problem: they shouldn’t be allowed to make those rules. The people are supposed to own the government, so they should tell it to force the FCC to stop allowing its tenants to make such rules. This is a “broader issue” matter. Governments all over the world specifically prevent rules like those AT&T (and all cell providers) get away with in North America.

  28. @AndyP,You really are splitting hairs. An analogy is called an analogy because it’s not a perfect representation. If it was perfect, it would be the actual thing itself. I mean, really, “not allowed on your property”? Who says it’s parked on your property when they destroy it?
    The point is, it seems very unlikely that the bricking of the phones is accidental. I have a mental image of Jobs ranting & raving (after all, it’s well known that he’s extremely calm & collected and never rants & raves, isn’t it?) about people hacking ‘his’ phone and vowing to “get them for their impudence”.
    Do I have any hard evidence: no. But I do have one piece of circumstantial evidence that’s very, very powerful: that is, there was absolutely no need to brick the phones at all. The update could simply have checked whether any ‘unauthorized’ mods had been made and offered the owner (emphasis on owner) 2 choices:
    1) completely revert the phone back to factory default settings. After all, any $50 router can do that;
    2) cancel the upgrade.
    In fact, I strongly suspect that the upgrade does exactly the opposite; it goes looking for mods and deliberately bricks the phone in order to teach the owner a lesson. That’s juvenile.
    In the broader picture, the corporations should not be allowed to get away with the things they do get away with. In reality, what they do is against the ‘common good’, a point that’s often used when deciding court cases. The DOJ case against Microsoft was really all about ‘common good’.
    Leo may have signed a contract, but that doesn’t mean the contract should be allowed to stand. The problem is that the big corporations are allowed to set up contracts that should be illegal (and are illegal in most of the world).
    In many ways Leo, and everyone who modded their iPhones, is simply demonstrating that there is a public need to have the rules changed.

  29. I’m a huge Mac person and I totally disagree with Apple’s action here, but I don’t trust any other company to be any different. That is the real problem. We should all be demanding a change in the culture. When Sprint wanted to charge me to put a wallpaper on my phone and kept blocking me from creating my own and transferring them to the phone, I thought the same thing. What if Apple, Microsoft or Dell did that with computers? Apparently, we will all keep letting these companies get away with this stuff.

  30. @naum: The method used to install third-party apps on the iPhone is the very definition of a hack, whether or not you like the word.
    To everyone else bitching about how evil Apple is: the update to 1.1.1 was completely voluntary. No one forced you to update if you didn’t want to. Both Apple and the Dev team issued warnings to people with unlocked phones that they would get bricked and Apple said that jailbreak apps would break. Anyone who still updated after all that should seriously examine their reading comprehension skills if they were surprised by what happened.

  31. I don’t think Apple is under any obligation to acquiesce to the needs of those that have in any way hacked their iPhone. Except that from a public relations standpoint, it would be a very good idea not to intentionally brick iPhones. This entire “problem” started way back when Apple decided to go with a sales/support model that locked the iPhone to AT&T. I have always thought that that was a big mistake. Steve and Apple are now at the mercy of the deal they made (with the devil?). They can’t make decisions based solely on what is best for Apple and Apple’s customers. AT&T has them by the you-know-what’s. I think they would have made just as much money by selling a totally unlocked iPhone. I think they would have sold a ton more phones and that would have made up for the difference in what they would have lost by not getting the “kickbacks” they are getting from AT&T. I may be naive in that you may not be able sell/service cell phones without having a locked-in model. I just think that with the probable requirements under that AT&T contract, they did the best they could by 1) not forcing the upgrade, and by 2) warning people ahead of time. After all, they could have done something like block people from using iTunes until they upgraded.Any way you slice it, this is a public relations problem for Apple and I wonder if Steve would have made this same deal had he seen all these problems ahead of time.

  32. Well Leo, as much as I love your podcasts (and I really do), you’re just plain wrong. If you hacked Windows or OSX and an update fried your OS you would have no one to blame but yourself. If you modded your laptop’s firmware and an update made it impossible to boot your system you would have no one to blame but yourself.
    Third party apps and unlocking are both hacks, pure and simple. You are making the phone do things that it is currently not designed to do. I think Alex Lindsay nailed it on the most recent MBW: Apple is closing the hole that allows the hacks in the iPhone, which is their prerogative, and that is bricking hacked phones. Oh well.
    My phone isn’t hacked because $300 is a lot of scratch and I don’t want to risk causing ANY problems on the thing. Apple will likely make third-party apps available at some point in the future and I can wait until then. You and others decided that you could afford to futz with your phones. Cool. But when you take chances sometimes you lose.
    The idea that Apple is now some kind of villain because they didn’t sell this as an unlocked phone is insane. To my knowledge, there are NO phones sold in the US in an unlocked state. This is how the US cell-phone market works. To ask Apple to play by rules that no other company does is totally unreasonable.
    And Leo, I am a little disappointed in you to label anyone who disagrees with you as suffering from a psychological condition brought on by extreme physical and mental abuse. You’re better than that.

  33. As a mac lover & user for over 15 years I am schocked & disapointed at the decision made by Jobs & company visa vi the distruction of other peoples property because of what the owner of that property has or has not done to their property. Destroying someones Iphone because they hacked it is maliscious & petty and should be judged a criminal act. I am not an iphone puser and i am apauled. Its as though I bought a new Imac and decided to ues MS Office and not Use Apple Works & then when I downloaded a system upgrade, my mac was fried for using Office. Shame on Jobs he has lost the hopes and cheers of this MacMan. In fact someone should sue Jobs for distruction of property & if I had an IPhone I would join in the suit. One more thing – If I notify you that I will destroy your property & then do it am I still guilty. Of course I am.

  34. If Apple never made such a big deal about the iPhone running OSX, nobody would care as much, but they did and people equated OSX with 3rd party apps.

  35. I have a DirecTV TiVo receiver and a DirecTV DVR. Neither of these will work with any other service. They are hackable, but, as Augie says of his TiVo, any forthcoming update, could brick them, and I’d be SOL. In that case, it’s my fault, not DirecTV’s. Just because you can hack your iPhone does not mean you should. You took the risk, and you knew it when you did it. Apple even warned you ahead of time. They’re not at fault here. Besides, Leo, don’t you still have an unmodded iPhone because you feared this could happne?

  36. No it is not. I installed iToner like any other OS X application (like iTunes) and with a simple drag & drop, I update my iPhone. Tell me how that is akin to “hacking”?
    >>@naum: The method used to install third-party apps on the iPhone is the very definition of a hack, whether or not you like the word.

  37. Here’s something to keep in mind, while I’m not up on the situation with the iPhone, in many cases we don’t actually own much of anything anymore. Even the music on your audio CD carries a ‘you open it you agree to whatever we do to you’ license. I am presented with multiple EULA blocks over the course of a month, they all contain the same legal gibberish. You didn’t buy a cow Leo, you purchased the use of Cow 1.0 for the express purpose of milk production, within the bounds of your county. Using the cow to produce cheese or in fact moving said cow outside of your county will void your license and enable Cow DNA Licensing Inc. to take whatever actions that it deems necessary up to and including entering your domicile without warning to recover said cow or triggering the cow’s remote shutdown system.
    Click here to Proceed. [OK]

  38. Just a question. My knowledge of AT & T suggests that if you signed a contract with them they will get their money or else. That being the case how much do they really care about the Iphones being hacked? A lot, a little or not at all?
    I’m not sure that some of AT & T managers would notice but some one may figure out this is not the kind of publicity they want either.

  39. @naumEven a simple hack with a nice GUI is still a hack.
    iTonr is inherently designed to do something with the iphone that the iphone does not support.

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