Don’t Go To L

A very interesting story is developing over L computers. We talked about it a little on The Screen Savers last night. I’m sure we’ll be talking about it more in the days to come.
The L site has attracted a lot of attention lately. It’s a very slickly designed site, strangely reminiscent of Apple’s page. The computers themselves are all from stock parts, but very weird stock parts: overclocked PIVs, solid state hard drives, refrigerator coolers, combined in unusual and even impossible ways (e.g. a PCI Express based RAM drive on a stock Intel mobo).

Forbes, MacCentral, and others seem to have been taken in by the promises of this company, although, as far as I can tell, no one has ever used an “L” computer. When I saw the site all sorts of alarm bells went off in my mind. After reading Sam Swett’s very thorough expose of the company and its founder, I’m even more suspicious.

I hope none of you have sent money to this company. If not, I would definitely wait for confirmation that they can actually manufacture these machines before giving them a credit card number. Do visit the site though – it’s a pretty masterful piece of work that will leave you asking, “what the L?”

19 Replies to “Don’t Go To L”

  1. I saw that show. Their site is really cool. Didn’t TechTV order something from them, though?

  2. I can’t comment on the other items, but I believe I recognize two of the laptops as the 5600 and 8800 from Fosa ( They’re kind of a white-box company anyway, but it makes me wonder. Conversely, I’d love to have a monitor setup like those…

  3. Well if you bought this L Computer System, At least you know It won’t be obsolete within six weeks instead of the normal three weeks for a purchase of a new computer.

  4. rule number one: Never buy anything from a web site that has an intro movie.
    rule number two: Unless they are a special cause, their logo really shouldn’t look like an awareness ribbon. “My kid drew this awesome logo…” Right.
    rule number three: Unique, you know, like a rock. HAHA, that kills me every time.

  5. That’s L for Liebermann. Slick sales web site is an understatement. Beauty, speed, power and tomorrow’s technology today, is what I saw. It has to be one of the most visually appealing web sites I have seen. What lies under the pretty wrapping – in the box – I would like to know.
    The article Leo linked provides interesting and valuable observations from the 60 minutes II of web sites: I’ll briefly cover a few items I found there. Be mindful, there are many more questionable items relating to L’s web site. If you are thinking of buying from them, you have to read it.
    When you over-clock a new CPU you are voiding the manufacturer warranty. L may be violating Intel’s direct marketing agreements, as well. Any CPU replacement would have to be directly from L – only. It’s doubtful Intel would allow a company to advertise and sell their CPUs rated beyond specification, and questionable if Intel would authorize the “Intel Inside” logo on the same computer. Not to mention, over-clocking creates inherent heat and instability issues. Exactly the reasons Intel does not warranty CPUs pushed beyond their factory rated speed. I wouldn’t pay extra to buy an over-clocked CPU when a normally rated CPU provides nearly the same benefit without all the additional risk. Great sales hook, but not much more.
    Support for future upgrades on the next generation processors is an unknown. The socket on Intel’s next generation CPU may be completely different from what is on the motherboard and works with the P4. Intel has a solid history of requiring a new motherboard with a new generation CPU. Future upgrading is an empty and ludicrously hopeful promise, at best.
    L claims they invest thousands of man-hours to develop their computers. Other people are claiming that many of the parts used in these computers, and possibly the bulk of some of L’s computers, are built by and available from other companies. Well, thousands of hours working on advertising and finding bits of web design on the Internet to use for their own, possibly. L borrowed the L logo stones concept from Burning Logos. The sticking point is that L published the attractive stones on their web site before contacting the owner of the copyright. They corrected it after he complained, of course. Shifty. Check for your own work, just in case.
    Their laptops use desktop CPUs. They aren’t optimized for mobile computer users, such as a Pentium 4 M CPU and the Centrino line. I didn’t locate average laptop usage time, but expect with a fast hard drive and other power-sapping components, two hours or less on the L mobiles. They are basically desktop replacements, from what I can see. Heavy, too. True portability is comprised of light weight and extended battery time. Two things you wouldn’t get with an L laptop.
    In the article linked below, it states in L’s company history, a Mac PowerBook was the computer Liebermann found limiting. Thus, prompting him to create his company and a “better” computer. In its present company history, the reference to Apple’s Mac PowerBook doesn’t appear. Perhaps with the L web site surprisingly similar to Apple’s, they thought it better to remove the PowerBook reference. If I were Steve Jobs, I’d be taking a scrutinizing look at
    The spokesperson for L is overly sensitive for someone in the public eye. Requests for more information about Liebermann and his company were met with threats of a liable and slander lawsuit. They expect a buyer to drop five thousand dollars and not know the history of who makes the computer? They are unwilling to answer simple questions and refuse to facilitate the dispersal of company and founder information. Please. Buyers beware.

  6. An afterthought….
    to get “Everything” with their top of the line PC the grand total is $26,485.99. Monitor Not Included.
    Any takers?

  7. *Cough* One more.. the $17,499 “Grand Canyon” monitor setup brings the total to $43984.99 (plus s/h).
    That’s half the price of my house!

  8. You can find that case with the cooling system on FROZEN CPU. This is a company based in Rochester, NY
    Frozen CPU
    Enjoy. Going to have to break into the piggy bank!

  9. A lot of the prices seem too good to be true. As for selling computers made by someone else under the “L” name, I really don’t see that to be such a big deal. Those are ProStar, Sabre, and other laptops, for instance. Other companies have been known to use the same ones. Dell comes to mind. Of course, calling them “laptops” is a bit of a joke. They’re little desktops basically, since your average ProStar or Sabre laptop has a battery life of about an hour at best. Besides, buying a laptop with a desktop cpu just brings to mind too many potential problems. Like heat issues and burning your… uh… lap.

  10. Here is my analysis: They said that the same hardware would be able to run Solaris – a Sparc-ish Operating system. At the same time, they say it can run the I386 architecture OS’s, like Linux and Windows. How the L… And Pentium X? Also; look at the big pipe that comes out of that refrigerator into the computer- It’s one of those dryer heat release pipes for HOT air. One part brags aobut a ‘superBios’ that has no company origin on it. They say you can control termal actions and Bios-level things from within Windows. Why would M$ do all of that kernel development, when it could of been higher-level software that would be made by the company that made the BIOS? I wish it was true though

  11. Rex said:
    “…Bios-level things from within Windows. Why would M$ do all of that kernel development, when it could of been higher-level software..”
    Perhaps they mean “within the Windows -interface-” rather than the kernel…
    The point is that is all bull feces. Every bit of it.

  12. How hilarious, I was about to post that very same thing! Soooo many typos, so little time…I’m “liable” not to send them any money anyway…

  13. anyone worried their law department is threatening to sue for “liable”?
    Should be: libel
    Their law department seems to be a little shifty too.

  14. If they did order something, they probably won’t get it. Sam Swett did a ton of research on the company and they don’t seem very legit.

  15. Cool site. However, I doubt they offer system’s with solid state harddrive’s. I’ve done research to find out about solid state harddrive’s.
    I found a few legitimate site’s that do sell real solid state drive’s.
    The largest capacity I could afford is 256 MB for $250( It uses an IDE interface and has a 2.5 ms seek time). After, that solid state drive’s really jump in price.

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